The other moment with him was when he was prime minister, very early in the 70s when he got to the War Measures Act. I got to talk to the prime minister. This is when I said to him, I said, "If you had been the young lawyer that I wrote about in Montréal, fighting against Duplessis, writing for Cité Libre, fighting for all kinds of civil rights causes, and someone had brought the War Measures Act down with the same vehemence that it was brought down in October of 1970 by your government, you might have gone to jail!" And do you know what he said? He said, "Yes, I would, but I wouldn't have bitched about it."